83% John McCain
75% Mitt Romney
73% Mike Huckabee
72% Rudy Giuliani
69% Fred Thompson
68% Tom Tancredo
55% Hillary Clinton
51% Bill Richardson
50% John Edwards
49% Barack Obama
47% Chris Dodd
45% Joe Biden
45% Ron Paul
31% Mike Gravel
24% Dennis Kucinich

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Interesting.  Right know with the field presented I could vote for either Rudy or Mitt.  It would be real hard and I would have to be extremely pragmatic (looking to Supreme Court appointments) to vote for either Huck (I can’t stand the “Fair Tax” or his spewing I’m a better Christian than anyone else crap) or McCain (McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, Gang of 14, etc, etc… ad nauseum).  Fred doesn’t do anything for me as he just seems to be going through the motions.  As for Ron Paul.  PUHLEASE…

On the other side of the aisle.  Hillary.  Not even worth a thought.  Edwards?  Can’t stand the class warfare and the rest of his rhetoric.  Obama.  Look up the definition of an empty suit.  Kucinich is the same as Ron Paul.  Nutcase.

How Lori faired with her selections:

84% John McCain
77% Mitt Romney
76% Mike Huckabee
74% Fred Thompson
68% Rudy Giuliani
67% Tom Tancredo
47% Hillary Clinton
46% John Edwards
44% Joe Biden
44% Barack Obama
44% Ron Paul
42% Bill Richardson
37% Chris Dodd
27% Mike Gravel
19% Dennis Kucinich

2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz

Two other Ron Paul acolytes turned tail and headed for the hills.  Damn varmints.

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 This from the guy that challenged me to debate.  In inestimatable “Tiger” who can’t stand the heat

Yes, I’ve seen part of that movie … I’m gonna watch it again when I get more time … also …

I blocked that dumbshit also …

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Also RedGranite – most of these freaks seem to hide behind email addresses and don’t sign their emails.

j p, no disrespect to your friend, but it sounds like this guy is addicted to fighting, look at all the warriors in his family. There is no reasoning with him, he has blinders on, to each their own, let him think his thoughts, and you think yours…no sense wasting anymore time on such narrow minded people that only know war.

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That silly, sad fromer State Representative sent the following email to me (her words are in blue) about how the Ron Paul people decided to hitch their Candidate to that treasonous traiter Guy Fawkes.  I had a field day with that one…

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Yeah,  V for Vendetta was a fantasy comic book. By the way the character “V” is an “anarchist revolutionary” that wears a Guy Fawkes mask.  I think anarchist revolutionary is a good definition for a Terrorist. Don’t you?

So are you saying that Ron Paul (or his supporters) using the “mask” of Guy Fawkes to raise money are doing so in the name of Anarchy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta

YOU could also ask him to rent the move “V” it is similar to Guy Folkes day.

Wag the dog is another I am told.

Nope.  Not even close.  The irony of course is that the movie came out less then a month before Bill Clinton and Monica became an item.  Let’s start a war to distract the people about a Sex Scandal.

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Had another Ron Paul supporter (this one a former State Representative here in AZ challenge me about Ron Paul.  She too tucked her tail and ran.

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THE woman who is speaking has breast cancer that has invaded the bone   so she has little to loose in telling the truth. 

She was & is a journalist and covered the UN for some time.  She is a real person I have emailed her.

Video 

here is another one that will be enlightening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW9PulYpjGs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

 There is a third so you will be well rounded after you watch them all Naomi Wolf is her name if you want it I will try to send it to you.  Good luck on your journey for what you feel is the truth.

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Joan Veon is interesting and I have seen her writings on WorldnetDaily from time to time – although I admit to not reading all or even most of her stuff.  I have a problem with people that espouse the Global Conspiracy mantra.  Do I think that “some” of the things the conspiracy theorist talk about is happening.  Sure.  But is it due to a group getting together in a smoke filled blackened room somewhere.  Setting an Agenda and then sending out the word to their minons in the press and elsewhere?  No.  I subscribe to Occam’s Razor: “All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.”  In this context I think most people are just to lazy to read and understand what is going on – that includes the people in the press who are just like everyone else.

A good friend of mine (and with whom I rarely agree with him on anything besides the time of day) is a former AP Reporter of the Year, was heard for years on both KTAR and then KFYI is now working for Janet Napolitano.  I have worked as a reporter/editor for Newspapers and Magazines.  While for the most part they are indeed guilty of group think it seems to b more out of laziness and a desire to get along then anything else.  That’s not to say there are not “true believers” but in their belief is a desire to make the world as they see it and want it to be.

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After I pointed out to another Ron Paul supporter that his friend Tiger was the one usig foul language not I and that it was Tiger that had challenged me to look at the Ron Paul ra-ra sites and Ron Paul’s record.  Well Tiger tucked tail and ran. He says he is 76 yars old.  Sounds more like he is 7 or 6.

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Well … you started it … an insult is still an insult no matter what ‘words’ are used … words are just words … nothing more … it depends on what you make of them … I chose my words very carefully because they demonstrated my opinion and common meaning … as to your positions on Ron Paul …

I can neither say yea or nay on them because they are your opinion … and everybody is entitled to their own opinion and this country was founded on freedom of speech … regardless of whether you agree or disagree … wars have been fought for that right …

I honestly don’t have time to continue this debate … I’m 76 years old and have better things to do with my time that to engage in useless rhetoric that will get neither of us anywhere … I give up … you win … nuff said …

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Interesting…

I started nothing.  I sent a personal email to John Pierce in reply to a bogus non-story that the “Military” supports Ron Paul.  John forwarded that onto his list and the first sentence out of your fingers to me was “You tell that piece of shit that wrote that about Ron Paul that he is really full of it”.  How did I “start anything with you?  Before your verbal broadside I had not had the displeasure of making your acquaintance.

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I finally got a Ron Paul supporter that is able to ask.discuss in a Civil manner.  Very refreashing.  I guess they do exist.

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 I am a Ron Paul supporter.  I see that you and your father are not.  I support him for one reason only.  I see him as the only one running for President, either from the Republican side or the Democrat side who would change the status quo.  From reading your posts, I believe you feel that any other

Actually I see him locking the status quo in even tighter.  As an “outsider” that earned the name Dr. No by his own “colleagues” they will have little interest in working with him since he will be unwilling (and has always legislated that way) to settle issues in a win/win fashion.  Again, legislation (just like marriage) is a give and take.

I will be teaching high performance driving at Phoenix International Raceway in the morning and crewing for my son’s shifter kart race at Firebird Raceway on Sunday.  I’m sure my wife would rather have me here at the House doing honey-dos this weekend. I certainly don’t hehe….  We compromise.  I have to bring dinner home.   That’s a win/win.  I get to go play and she doesn’t have to cook dinner.

 Republican candidate would change things.  It sounds like you would like to see things change.  Which candidate has anything different to offer, other than Paul? 

Of course I would.  However to me the BIGGEST and most IMPORTANT role that the President plays is who he appoints (and can get confirmed – again a compromise) to the Supreme Court.  Everything else that happens in the Congress is a compromise.  Therefore, I would rather have a Republican appointing Judges like Roberts, Alito, Scalia or Thomas than a Democrat appointing more Ginsburg’s or Breyer’s.  You can’t know for “sure” how a Judge will rule when he gets to the bench but you have a pretty good idea.  The Sainted Ronald Reagan got it right with one (Scalia) but wiffed it with his other two picks (O’Connor and Kennedy).  Bush I split his two picks with Souter and Thomas but Bush II got it right with Roberts and Alito.  Looking at who the Dem would pick they are ALL bad options as far as I’m concerned.

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The deranged Ron Paul support that goes by the handle “Tiger” (he’s more of a kitten actually) challendged me to look at Ron Paul’s record and where he stands on the issues.  He wanted me to give him a single issue where I disagreed with Ron Paul.

Here was is inane email to me intermixed inside an email that I had sent him.  Again his words are in red and blue as they were in his reply – caution excessive profanity.    I answered just as he asked which is found below.

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Well, this debate is over after I finish what I have left to say … first of all someone once said in so many words … ‘to argue with fools is to debase yourself’ and I feel that’s what I’m doing to continue this BS with you …

First of all your family didn’t do any more for this country that mine did … my father and uncle served in WW2 … my grandfather served in WW1 … my son is on his 4th trip to Iraq and my brother and I served in the korean war … that family emotional stuff is just so much bull shit … what facts have you presented to back up such a stupid statement … so fuck you and the horse you rode in on …

we have lived well I will admit … but that is because we have worked hard all our lives to accumulate a little comfort and peace of mind … after all I worked my way through college for almost 10 years … no gov’t help either … not one single loan … so fuck you and the horse you rode in on …

And if you would come up with some ‘facts’ that I could refute … maybe this diatribe would be worth pursuing, however … you haven’t put any facts or anything material out there that are worth discussing … just a bunch of name calling and trying to ruin a good and honest man by trying to associate him with criminals and terrorists … so fuck you and the horse you rode in on …

No need to answer this post because you are blocked my man … you are blocked where your belong … in the trash bin with the rest of your stupid bull shit statements … not facts but simply aspersions …

Have a bad day and crawl back in the hole you’ve been living in …

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That same deranged Ron Paul Supporter wrote to show that he is happy to cut his nose off.

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Hey John … here’s a something about your vote not counting … my theory about that is this … take a look at the videos …
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1.  If I vote for the ‘normal’ favorite candidate and he wins or loses … either way I’ve pissed off my vote because it is not something I really think is good for the country … it’s sorta the lesser of two evils … however, …
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2.  If I vote for the candidate of my choice … Ron Paul … my vote counts if he wins … if he loses … I’m no worse off that if one of the favorites win … but again … by some stroke of fortune if he wins … WE ALL WIN …
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3.  Our votes don’t really count anyway … it’s all rigged … LOL …
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Just my 2cents worth …

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Some deranged Ron Paul supporter (but then I repeat myself) interjected himself into an email conversation thinking I was talking to him.  His words are in red (they were in red in the original email to me too)

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Since you are obviously mentally challenged I’ll help you along.

Let’s start from the beginning…

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I did not say that all Ron Paul supporters are terrorist.  I merely pointed out that “terrorist” organizations (KKK, White Power, etc…) and their members do support Ron Paul. HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THIS … WHERE DO YOU GET THIS DIS-INFORMATION … Ruin someone’s reputation by association … For the most part the rest of the Ron Paul supporters are indeed the self deluded “sheeple” that you speak of.  YOU WANNA DEFINE WHAT A SHEEPLE IT … I DON’T CONSIDER ME AND MY FRIENDS AND COLLEGE STUDENTS ‘SHEEPLE’ … MORE DISINFORMATION … Their support for a marginal candidate forces them to the margins where they are ignored (rightly so).

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Do you know who David Duke is?  Former Head of the KKK.  Try visiting his Website

http://www.davidduke.com

and see who he supports.  Hint. It’s ain’t Hillary.  And check groups like

http://www.stormfront.org

See a pattern developing?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/15/to-his-dismay-ron-paul-b_n_68575.html

I did not say Ron Paul welcomed them to his team, just that they are on his team.Sheeple.  I did not first call you that.  I was referring to you being called that by someone else responding to me.  Since I guess that you are a little slow witted at putting words together Imagine Sheep-people.  Now say it fast.  Sheeple.  Sheep are led around and you are being led around.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheeple

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In response to emails on the post below someone wote to me the following (see the block quotes).

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Haaa!! We know who the real terrorists are don’t we? And it’s not the Ron Paul supporters!

I encourage everyone to get involved in their city, county and state governments…run for office…run for sheriff and deputize like minds. That is the only way we will ever see freedom in this country. Homeland security starts at home! Notice how the “other” side refers to Guy Faulks as a terrorist, that is because the word “patriot” is NOT in their vocabulary, why? Because “they” are the terrorists. They are labeling patriotic American citizens as terrorists and dissidents. Fox news had a guest on a while ago, and the guy said that all “dissidents” (Patriotic American Citizens) should be tased and beaten to a pulp! Now, if someone from our camp were to say that privately or publicly, the whole lot of us would be jailed as terrorists and probably tortured and held without trial.

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 I did not say that all Ron Paul supporters are terrorist.  I merely pointed out that “terrorist” organizations (KKK, White Power, etc…) and their members do support Ron Paul. For the most part the rest of the Ron Paul supporters are indeed the self deluded “sheeple” that you speak of.  Their support for a marginal candidate forces them to the margins where they are ignored (rightly so).

I am still waiting on a single Ron Paul acolyte to explain to me how and why Ron Paul choose to align himself and his campaign with Guy Fawkes?  Also what they mean by the “other side”.  Winners write the history books.  Guy Fawkes lost.  He is defined as a terrorist.  If he had succeeded in his quest to blow up Parliament, the King and replace Protestant Rule of England with rule by the Pope then he would have been a Papal Patriot.  Wonder how David Duke and the other White Power folks reconcile their support for Ron Paul with the Paulistas championing of an executed Papists terrorist.  Maybe birds of a feather…

You also assume that terrorist and patriot are either mutually inclusive or mutually exclusive.  The aren’t.  Can a terrorist be a patriot?  Sure (see someone like Menachem Begin – Israeli Prime Minster in later life and head of the Irgun in early life).  But are all terrorist patriots?  Of course not.  If they were that would make Ted Kazinski (the Unabomber) a patriot instead of a disturbed criminal.

That’s not to say that Ron Paul supporters are now to be considered either Terrorist, Patriots or Criminals.  That could instead for the most part be described just as you did as being Sheeple.  Disturbed Sheeple but sheeple nonetheless.  They are following the Cult of Ron.  Their mentality kinda reminds me of the incongruity evidenced by the kids that dress in Goth type clothing so as to not look like everyone else when in fact they are looking like everyone that the hang out with.  Just more sheeple following a fad.

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A few days ago a guy I get email from sent me some nonsense about how the “military” is supporting that LOSER Ron Paul.

I responded that I did not want to see anymore Ron Paul crap.  He came back that since I am from a “Military Family” had I watched the video links in his message?

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Yes I am from a Military family and I was both an Air Force Cadet (went on exchange with the Israeli Air Force) and I worked as a covert contractor overseas for one of the three-lettered agencies.I can probably speak for ALL my Relatives – retired Army Officer, Retired Navy Officer, Retired Air Force Master Sergeant and my currently serving Cousin (leading an Interrogation unit in Iraq with the Army) and my Step Brother in the Air Force – concerning Ron Paul.  He is an IDIOT.  We have no time for someone that is a xenophobe, stick his head in the sand and wish the hob-goblins of the world would not bother us.  He and his ilk (Pat Buchanan, etc…) are MORONS.

I actually watched the Glen Beck show that they took those videos from.  I would say I would agree with Chuchill’s Grandson echoing his Grandpa rather than Ron Paul following the footsteps of Neville Chamberlain.  Was Horowitz a marxist.  Sure.  But Reagan was an FDR Democrat.  So what’s your point?  Churchill said that if as a young man you are not liberal then you have no heart but if you aren’t conservative when you get older then you have no brain.

Can you explain WHY Ron Paul picked Guy Fawkes day?  He chose it and he made the comparison.  He has to take the bad image with the good. Guy Fawkes by any measure was a terrorist.  And of course the real irony is that Guy Fawkes day celebrates the fact that Guy Fawkes failed.  Ron Paul will fail too.  Even if he somehow managed to win a single primary (he won’t) he would go down as the biggest loser in an historical landslide election that would make Jimmy Carter look positively popular by comparison.

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Like I said before I did not like the “Nuclear Option” in the Senate to run over the minority back when the Republicans ran things and I see that Harry Reid agreed with me too back then.  Now however when the shoe is on the other foot he wants to change the rules.

Reid – what a Horses Ass.

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http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/

What a difference eight months make. Senator majority leader Harry Reid, still smarting from having his hat handed to him twelve hours earlier on the Senate floor by Mitch McConnell and the Republicans, opened the Friday session of the Senate by previewing coming events next week in the Senate. It was during his calendar talk on the Kennedy Student Loans and Grants Act that he noticed Utah Senator Robert Bennett also on the floor, and had this to say as an aside.

So we?re going to hopefully conclude this matter on Monday. If all the amendments aren?t offered, it would of course shorten the time, and the two managers are Senators Kennedy and Enzi, who did such a good job on the bill yesterday until they lost control of it with the rules we have here, which I hope, I see my friend here from, the distinguished junior Senator from Utah, I hope as one of the key members of the Rules Committee, the ranking member of the Rules Committee, you and Senator Feinstein will look at a way we can change these rules. What went on last night was ridiculous. There?s no way to stop that unless?as the time ran. And we should change those rules, and I think it could be done with the Rules Committee. We may have to take a look at that. It just doesn?t help anybody. So anyway, but that?s what happened. But it?s not going to be that way on this matter on Monday. As I said, Senator Kennedy and Enzi managed the bill very, very well until it ran into the rule that we have here that allows unending amendments on any subject forever, literally, before you can get final passage.

Harry Reid wants to change the rules of the Senate. How far back do you think we need to go to see if he?s consistent about the rules of the Senate?

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At 12:13 AM 11/8/2006, you wrote:

Dave,
 Are you up? What do you think?
Missouri is looking like it is going Dem.

Very interesting election Dems won where they ran as “Conservative” and not with the tired old “liberal” baggage.  What will be fascinating to watch will be if these Freshman Congress-critters legislate as they ran or face the very real possibility of being one-termers in 08.  The whole House is back up for grabs then.  With an open Presidential seat and no VP trying to fill the slot there will need to be some serious trigonometry being worked out before these guys get seated in January. For example last night Major Garrett talked about Heath Schuler in NC.  During the campaign he refused to say if he would vote for Pelosi to be speaker but “inside” info was that the Party let him say that to get elected but that come January he will vote for her.  If that ends up being the way these newbies go of campaigning as conservative and vote the same “liberal” way they will get tossed out in 08.

Some of the seats that were won are definite one termers (the Foley and Delay seats for example).

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How many examples will it take for tax receipts to go UP when tax rates are CUT before “liberals” and the “media” begin to see the relationship?

From today’s New York Times (they will probably be the LAST to see the correlation.)  I love the first and third paragraphs of the story.

“An unexpectedly steep rise in tax revenues from corporations and the wealthy is driving down the projected budget deficit this year, even though spending has climbed sharply because of the war in Iraq and the cost of hurricane relief.”

and

“Tax revenues are climbing twice as fast as the administration predicted in February, so fast that the budget deficit could actually decline this year.”

Also, while the first paragraph refers to the war in Iraq the story totally ignores the hit the economy took on 9/11 and instead just refer to the “recession of 2001”

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Arnold was right to veto this nonsense.  Let me see if I can try to make sense of what this “dumbocrat” was proposing.

In 2000 Gore got a few more National “popular” votes then did Bush.  In this guys proposal Gore would have then been awarded all of California’s Electoral Votes thereby telling the rural and suburban population of California screw you.

In 2004 Bush got more National “popular” votes than Kerry did so this dumbocrat’s bill would have told the majority of people in California screw you since all the states votes go to Bush regardless of how the majpority in the state actually voted.

What this dumbocrat is really trying to do is not to make California “relevant” but rather to make the smaller states where the vote is really in play irrelevant.

Our constitution is a remarkable document.  It calls for representative democracy not the mob rule of a direct democracy.  The House gives the bigger more populated States the ability to have a bigger say in that Body while the Senate balances and protects the smaller States by giving them an equal say.

The Electoral College does the same thing. Each State get’s Electoral votes in proportion to their representation in the House.  But,with the Electoral College votes being apportioned within the state based on the vote you receive within the state it allows the rural and less populated areas of a state to not have their entire voice downed out by the larger population centers.

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